Home Body Building What do PED’s do for weightlifting? Body Building What do PED’s do for weightlifting? By admin - July 24, 2020 349 86 Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest WhatsApp Follow Me on IG: @Coach_ZT $1 Programming and Q&A: Patreon.com/zacktelander1 RELATED ARTICLESMORE FROM AUTHOR Body Building Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo Ep 1 EngSub | DRAMA KOREAN ENGSUB Body Building How to Improve Your Weightlifting Clean Technique ft. CJ Cummings | Olympians’ Tips Body Building Charles Glass | Fat loss, Longevity & Bodybuilding basics | 86 COMMENTS first lul Reply Peds for weightlifting. Reply 4:30 That's the way I've always thought about this. Injecting PED's is the equivalent of injecting liquid training, it's artificial tonnage that requires no recovery down time to produce muscular mass. This is why if you take 2 top level athletes, both genetic freaks and hard workers, and have 1 of the 2 on PEDs, the other one has very little chance of winning: the enhanced guy is getting extra stimulus from the drugs that not only require 0 work but also take virtually no time and have no recovery costs. Reply 4:56 Thought Max was about to say "Lu Xiaojun's been on the juice …" Reply Zack doesn't need them. Reply You are still forward in your lifts Reply No animation will ever compare to the Ajan tomato toss. Don’t @ me. Reply So we doing this or what? Reply If max is using a blue yeti, he’s pointing the diaphragm of the mic towards the ceiling. Reply ZT – you forgot to add the link to my nearest tren dealer in the details section. Great vid as usual though Reply Love the podcast Zack, I'm one of the 17 : ) Reply I was listening it and cleaning the room and holy shit the screams at 6:40 made me jump. 😀 Reply maybe so, but taking drugs won't magically give you a 180kg snatch, believe me I've tried lol Reply My stack: The Powerful Energy Drinks I consume to compete at the highest level Reply This feels like I've seen it before Reply That outro… Can't say Goodbye to Yesterday.Are you a fan of MGS? Reply Hey Zack, did you make a video on why Illia was so special ? Reply 懒猪响媸洁? Where is that from? Reply So basically you' re saying that all chinese athletes are on drugs…? Holy shit Reply I hope everyone realize that this is not just a ped topic ,there is some very important info here about successfully training. Reply If anyone is interested there's a YouTube channel called More Plates More Dates and he talks about the idea PED's for Olympics a little better. And just PED's in general. Reply Listened to this part of the podcast earlier, and y’all are (as usual) spot on Reply I hear that Metal Gear music Reply Hey man I like your channel and I think overall your a great ambassador for weightlifting, but this podcast is not good. It would be great if you guys discussed how to promote and grow the sport, make it more accessible, and fun for people to get into. instead its just a periodic conversation complaining and whining about doping in weightlifting and ped's. You both are influencers, you have a following, and know other influencer's why not use that to try and fix things? why not hold an event to your own standard that offer's prizes that would actually incentivize North American talent to get involved? why are there so many talented people in CrossFit? 400k check for the best plus tons of ways to make money if your national level or higher, the same goes for bodybuilding. I am looking forward to the movie but I dont think thats going to do it either, maybe a pumping iron (the original) style documentary following Mattie Rogers might do it, idk who else has charisma or broad appeal in weightlifting at the moment. Reply Shouldn't the MRV bar actually increase as you progress in your training, with the MEV rising faster than MRV to eventually almost meet it? The animation would suggest that beginners are capable of higher training volumes (volume being weightXrepsXsets) than advanced athletes, which isn't the case. The gap between MEV and MRV decreases, but not the athlete's MRV. Reply I will say technique wise I still do believe most chinese lifters are better than many American lifters particularly in the snatc Reply Holy nostalgia bomb, Alex deserves a raise for that classic ADV VHS trailer reference. Reply why does MRV come down when you become more trained? I thought your ability to recover would improve? Can anyone help me out? thank you Reply Legit cannot believe you are deleting comments that even slightly criticize you. Reply Hey guys so the graphic is a bit misleading. MRV shouldn’t come down as PED’s are introduced. This isn’t what Max said or meant. To be honest I posted this video because I thought max did a very good job of explaining, in an eloquent and typically not talked about way. Reply Sorry for my unfamiliarity with your channels will the full interview or discussion be posted somewheres? Seems like there was a lot more (un) said, and I wanna hear it. Thanks for this fo sho tho. Great stuff. Reply So, is it necessary to take roids or sarms to achieve your level Zack? or even get close to Clarence Kennedy gravity sorcery? Reply Man, everyone is on drugs. Don't play the inocent card. USA Always has cheated. Reply China is still a stacked team. There’s lifters that don’t get chosen on the national team but is still better than top American lifters Reply Pfft, what does this Max guy know about WLing? He looks fucking TINY, bro. Max? More like min! Fuckin' gotem Reply I lost my natty card watching this video. Give it back Reply Lu isn't natty? :< Reply Where do I sign up for this all drugs no train program ….. lol Reply 1:14 LITERALLY ME DURING QUARANTINE Reply I really appreciate this channel, love your content, and even this understanding of MEVs and MRVs. However, I’m not a fan of insinuating that a national team is doing better because of doping without any proof. I understand that this is just a snippet of a conversation you both we’re having so you may not be thorough, but that is still a strong accusation. Reply Lance armstrong passed hundreds of drug tests as an American athlete. Too easy to pass drug tests lmao Reply what's your thoughts about weightlifting being ranked as the 44th hardest sport in the world? lacrosse was 14th by the way Reply So what's the difference in Ilyin that he talks about in the end? Reply Not only in Weightlifting i guess, in every other Elite Sport, too. Bodybuilding, CrossFit Games or whatever. At those levels, PED´s are as normal as weightlifting shoes. Reply I love you guys but you're obviously butthurt. It's hard to watch. Reply 6:15 "Go to the iPhone factory…" Classic Reply line plots are not particularly good at representing categorical data (the drugs vs no drugs one) since the lines in between them don’t mean anything. a bar graph or something like that would have been much more appropriate. just wanted to throw that out there Reply But,… what is the natural human limit? Reply This is why we should drop the pretense and abolish WADA. Maybe include Olympic medals for pharmaceutical engineers. Reply WELL NO EXCUSES JUST IMPROVE doesn't seem appropriate for this video Reply But what if you just get so good that you beat the juicers straight up? Reply Just have to comment on this one-Were the persons in this study "newbies"?Maybe I missed it but what was the length of the study Max refers to?IMHO persons who trained "anywhere near correctly for several years" will make moreprogress and will be well past (or should be) anyone taking "PED'S" that does not train.According to an ex USSR sprint coach that I knew (and others like Charlie Francis Ben Johnsons coach)there is a way "best" to train on drugs(in order to take full advantage and it also depends on which drugs) and there is a way to train "naturally" (there is better "natural" pharmacology out there than most realize).The biggest distinction between "naturals" and "druggies" is VOLUME. "Intensity" as well but not as distinct. Reply As if the US isn't doing this? Like, obviously China and Russia are using steroids and PED in its athletics programs, so is the US, so is any country with top athletes. Same goes for the slave labour comment btw, as if the US doesn't use slave labour. Guess that Cold War mentality never really went away Reply So what you're saying is… no excuses, just improve… with some juice. Reply Good discussion. I have a problem with the way MEV/MRV gets discussed because it reduces 'stress' to a number; it's either higher or lower but never measured as 'different'. When the area between MRV and MEV becomes razor thin, as Max outlined with advanced lifters, the introduction of new exercises or different training thresholds blows that gap back open. Reply The quality of your content never fails to impress. Reply Very interesting vid. Thanks for the quality content! Reply Wait so here I am, training and not taking drugs and I could have just took the drugs and sat at home playing videogames and made even better progress?!?! Wtf am I wasting my time for? Reply Yeah, so every country does this except the US, ok. Reply "No Excuses, Just Take Tren" lol Reply 6:40 what's Max referencing with "the 5 concepts of weightlifting"? Reply Where would 1 obtain some of this grandpa DayQuil Reply Guys, news flash, roids work. Dbol is the shit. Reply "China beats us for years because they are doing drugs, not because we suck…" yup, hold on to that mind set, sure it will get you better, LOL Reply Everyones cheating thats why we are loosing. Boohoohoo. Oh wait, we use PEDs too, hmmm. GENETICS has eneteted the chat. Reply Natural? Pfft! Reply I hate the study that max referenced because 1. It was a hypertrophy study, and 2. The method of measuring lean body mass and bodyfat they used doesn’t account for water weight so when the estrogen levels increased their water weight did as well and the increased water retention showed up as lean body mass when it shouldn’t have. Reply I really don't give a shit about mrv mac. Since endurance existe for natties. If your endurance and résistance IS high you could get so strong naturly. Stronger than drug abusers. This IS why i don't really Care about mav mrv. Because why bother. What about just trainning hard for 5 days resting 4 days and maximising recovery on them and then repeat? And i think almost everyone IS a cheater. Try to change my mind. Reply That outtro gave me some HEAVY MGS2 nostalgia… Reply China’s drugs are better than yours Reply Muscle mass isn’t performance. Reply "that is natural" Reply Everyone quotes that study but never mentions the water retention that comes with starting your first testosterone cycle, there was very little true muscle built until a significant amount of time into the cycle. Mev wasn't brought down to zero it was just weight gain from the drugs alone. Reply So basically everyone who wins are probably on drugs but their counties hide it well? Reply is there an untested weightlifting fed like uspa/ipl for powerlifting? Reply Wow now that was disappointing. Reply It's so mind numbingly obtuse to not acknowledge that every country enables or turns a blind eye to its athletes using PEDs and act like this only occurs in China/Russia. Lance Armstrong ran one of the most sophisticated doping programs ever while riding for the United States Postal Service, if we acknowledge that no countries athletes are 'clean' maybe then we can start to actually have an honest discussion. Reply I swear I think my mev and mrv have overlapped Reply Lu is on the Chinese team more than a decade due to his impeccable snatch form… He is probably one of the best snatchers of all time. Agreed that they all do PEDs but you gotta give him credit for the almost perfect technique as well, no need to simplify things and put them down… Reply Ah, that study at 4:00 is always misunderstood. They took testosterone. It increases water retention. The 4th group gained extra water, which counts as basically "fake muscle" in test like DEXA, etc… This water retention obviously wont continue. And, the more important part… Did the 4th group get stronger, than the 1st group? Did they even get significantly stronger than the 2nd group? Reply No Excuses just take Drugs! Reply American lifters and Gurus are Clean & Jerks ! Reply Giving examples of PED’s taking athletes of any country except the USA. Reply Guys I do appreciate the discussions and I have a request for a video:Research what has been the best progress of known natural lifters (in terms of bodyweight vs weight they can lift, maybe even muscle mass and body fat %) versus known unnatural lifters.I think what people need to see is a clear comparison of the best expectable results natural versus not natural. That will allow us to more accurately judge whether a particular person is natty or not. Reply when are we going to start CRISPRing into space marines and slamming 100kg plates on the bar Reply Makes me feel like I need to find some way to get PEDs Reply LEAVE A REPLY Cancel reply Please enter your comment! Please enter your name here You have entered an incorrect email address! Please enter your email address here Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.