Home Body Building Velocity Based Training For Olympic Weightlifting Body Building Velocity Based Training For Olympic Weightlifting By admin - September 12, 2020 139 84 Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest WhatsApp ‘Flex’ by GymAware: https://www.flexstronger.com/?rfsn=4508872.cccf08e Use “ZT5” for a Coupon Code RELATED ARTICLESMORE FROM AUTHOR Body Building BODYBUILDING & BOLLOCKS Ep.48 | Fouad Abiad, Ben Chow & James Hollingshead Body Building Fitness Grocery Shopping | Bodybuilding and Lifestyle Products | Body Building Following My Old High School Bodybuilding Diet | Muscle Building Full Day Of Eating 84 COMMENTS Someone else was watching one of his vids when this vid came up? Reply Where's the larry wheels 'Powa ' audio clips over you speaking ? Video editor slacking haha Reply Get that thing to Clarence pronto. There's undiscovered physics he will unlock. Reply Clarence is gonna Snatch 100kg at 9.8m/s Reply I want to see Lasha's numbers break this thing like Vegeta's scouter Reply Fundraiser for higher quality camera? Reply It never occured to me that knowing the velocity could help you improve technique. Good information! Reply You can also use the app Barsense which does the same thing Reply Is the bounce after it’s dropped from overhead logged? I feel like that could skew the data a bit Reply Those trunks make you look like you pissed yourself lol xD Reply I don't think that comparison between you and Arthur makes any sense. yes both lifts are at 80%, but he is shorter(probably the bigger difference cobtributer), and lifting a lighter weight, so ultimately, he has to put in less work, hense the lower wattage. the comparison doesn't mean much Reply this is amazing… please do another video when your recovered to compare that test of fatigue as its really interestingand i wonder what numbers Gabriel Sîncrăian would do at his 80% snatch weight Reply WL bros in 2030 be like: Yeah I know it's only 40kg, but did you SEE the WATTAGE on that CONTACT??! Reply This takes away your natty card. Real lifters steal their villages' speedometer and put it in the gym letting their dad freely roam around without having to worry about stupid DUIs or other violations Reply Cool stuff, Very interesting, especially to map out progress and performance. I’m not sure if you should specifically focus on velocity, as power is a derivative of velocity (distance over time) and load. Speaking from a physics standpoint ofcourse. I would say that velocity is the easiest parameter to condition, but ideally you would want your power output to peak as high as possible. It is however very interesting to note that your peak was at 3100~ watts. And all other lifts where somewhat close to it, Kinda makes me wonder if data like this could theoretically impose your max lift. For example;Your output peak is 3100W @100kg x 2.2s Would this translate to a 160kg lift with a reduced speed but similar Wattage. Your data in the video suggests it not to be the case, but the deviation is quite small and your test sample batch ‘only’ consists of 2 reps per weight. I’m not sure if data comparison between lifters makes a lot of sense, kinda feels like comparing apples to pears, whilst knowing outcomes beforehand. Nevertheless, interesting stuff. Reply Hook this thing up to Luis MosqueraPower output: [math error] Reply Nice device, interesting potential. All other things equal, work for you will always be larger as you are much taller, so the distance the bar travels is larger. And Arthur's power output will always be less, even with same acceleration and velocity, because his 80% is less than yours. He could compensate maybe with a higher acceleration and velocity, but I dont know how realistic. Maybe combining the device data with RPE is an option. It would be nice to see a comparison with someone with the same snatch number as you. Thansk for the content, cheers! Reply Legend has it of clarence uses it it will overload Reply Still no comment from natural hypertrophy, must be on a deload Reply Even though i probably won't buy it, i still watched through the sponsorship. It was informative, sincere and i didn't notice any different "vibe" than from your other videos, to say the least. It was even entertaining, so kudos! Reply Clarence needs to be in this video or another one with him. That guy throws the bar, I want to see his power and speed. Reply This thing is great especially if you use rpe for training Reply I was into it until I saw the price tag. I'll stick to tracker apps for now 🙁 Reply Would it help to taper and then get a base line for this? So that way through out training you can you can judge wether or not the amount of power you are producing is truly going down? Reply That thing would be good for the auto regulation squat cycle you were doing. You can actually measure the wattage of an RPE 7 back squat Reply The values of peak power/velocity in the bottom right do not seem correct. The peak power should be force times peak velocity, either the measured power is too high or velocity is too low. Reply $400+ is not in my bracket of “affordable” though I hope one day I’ll have the cash to buy one or the technology will become a lot cheaper to the consumer. Reply Why design this with lasers and a big reflector mat? Why not just put an accelerometer internally in the device I dont see why the mat was necessary for the design? Reply Kinetic energy (power) =1/2 Mass*velocity ^2Meaning = if you doubled the velocity the energy is quadrupled.Force = acceleration * massAcceleration = velocity / time.Time = distance /velocityThat's all mean ====>Force =( velocity ^2/ distance) * massIf you doubled your velocity the force is quadrupled again.Index : the distance in this situation is measured from the loaded bar resting on the floor to the standing over head postion of the bar it self. Velocity is provided by the device.Mass = you can assume it is the weight of the loaded bar. Reply zack can you not get that close to the camera, i do not want to be tempted and kiss the screen Reply How much does it weigh cuz I only see one mat, so you're only using that implement on one side ? Reply Technology! Reply Based. Reply At 10:30 i dont necessarily think that te same workout will fatigue you more than him, i think the fatigue will be more on your side but not relative, because if 80% is relative then the fatigue factor should to right? So he lifts less weight than you but he still feels it like a 80% Reply frickin laser beams Reply I wonder how accurate this is. Ive owned a powermeter on my bicycle since 2017. Seeing watts trying to be estimated is a bit of a red flag. Any powermeter that does not use strain gauges, is purely estimating and is both inaccurate and inconsistent, even when measured in a controlled environment indoors, where speed of the wheel, resistance and cadence is known. In cycling, it took around 2 decades before powermeters became affordable (under £500), so if the ‘real’ system for barbells costs thousands, its probably because its the only way to reliably measure. Now I’m sure the speed is accurate so thats worth using, but I personally wouldn’t pay any attention to estimated watts. ciao Reply It looks like you were power snatch until 90kg. It would be interesting if you full snatch during the entire warmup right thru to end then maybe power snatch if needed. Reply is it ok to drop the weight on the mat? Reply I use VMaxPro , but I snatched 85kg (3.14)faster than your 70kg , it’s weird cuz my PR”s only around 120kg Reply 8:07 there is this benchmark test with 10 sprints in a row. The results would look similar. The first one or two sprints would be still kind of warm up. Then you peak. And the performance starts drop at some point. Reply Think of if Clarence use that Reply You could probably do this with Kinovea. Wouldn't be as accurate, but hey, it's free. Reply You should cover one of the windows in that door behind you so it's three white lights. Just saying Reply The math are kinda weird, only 0,01m/s in peak speed cannot make 150w difference in peak power… The values doesn't add up anyway, 120 Kg at 2.02 m/s is around 2300 W (120*9.81*2.02), 100 kg at 2.42 is around 2400w… The error is more or less consistent at about 20-25% though. Maybe a calibration issue? Reply This is interesting on so many levels… so much more experimentation is needed. How fresh were both of you? How much more experienced a lifter are you than Arthur? Sure you were both lifting 80% but does absolute weight matter (in other words, does velocity track linearly with absolute weight or will we see a log curve)? What does the velocity curve look like? Is your height playing a role in this? Does the more experienced lifter actually have a more efficient lift? How slow can either of you successfully complete the same absolute and relative lift? I would love to see more videos on this, or maybe you can share some articles? Reply Too heavy , man .. too heavy for speed work ! Reply If you consider the 130kg to be 100% for the day you have 104kg to be 80% – right in the area most progress can be gained. At 120kg you were over 90% – impressive to see how slow the bar gets. I'd be curious about the exact curve describing percentage vs bar speed right around that detail. Reply Wait. Why I come here is to understand. Why do you need more power? Longer distance? Reply Would love to see this on a Shi 190kg power clean Reply there is an error.. both lifts with 120kg same peak v but different peak P.. how? Reply Good idea Reply @Zack, you hardly extend your feet during the pull, and mostly just slide your feet out like the Chinese. Is there a reason for this? Your style? Reply Could height difference be the cause. Since you have to go a lot further Reply Jeff shilling out for “big velocity” smh Reply does this thing take into account the velocity when u drop the bar? Reply “When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re gona see some serious shit” Reply In cycling wattage has been one of the key metrics of training since power meters became accessible. exciting to see similar developments in weightlifting! Reply I’m too stupid for this video, but still enjoyed it. Reply Is it a lidar device? Would be great to see the developer beef up that app and create some output screens with full graphs… maybe the more expensive version does this already? Reply Work =force x distanceVelocity = distance / timeAcceleration = velocity/ timeJerk = acceleration/ time (that’s me) Reply I used Tendo unit back in the day. Does same. It was incredibly helpful. Reply 7:41 How come under 120 kg, the peak power for 2.03 m/s is lower than that for 2.02 m/s? Something doesn't seem to add up. Reply anyone know the song at 3.35? Reply I wanna see Clarence Kennedy’s numbers on this thing.. he’s so fast Reply Would this product work for other lifts, for example, speed work on a conjugate based system? Does the bar have to start on the ground for this to calculate properly or could you also use it for bench press, OHP, squat variations, etc, or is it just the DL variations, snatch, and clean that this would work for? Reply I recently decided to incorporate velocity analytics into my training along with RPE. I opted for the RepOne tracker, it was a good deal cheaper than some of the other systems but it was one of the only ones with a physical tether. I've really enjoyed it so far. Reply Fly in Clarence Kennedy ASAP and hook him up! Reply 120 and higher speed (2.03) can't give lower power than the same weight and slightly lower speed (2.02) (2794 and 2949 resp). What am I missing here? Just inconsistent speed pickup? Reply Hey Zack, while I'm late to the game on this vid and it's highly unlikely you'll see this, I'll take a stab anyhow. I definitely like the idea of a more science based training. Especially because this can quantify things in terms I understand. While I do understand we want to optimize our Wattage output given that's what oly lifting is, but does that mean we always want to remain in the range for highest wattage? Or given that your cohort in the video has a big drop off in efficiency come higher than 80% mean that there is something else at play for him? It's a small piece of the puzzle, and I'd like to know if it means we should focus solely on this narrow range or there might be benefits from max velocity or max strength work in addition. Reply Hey, Telly. Love your stuff, but I have a few questions… Why are you a coorelating maximum wattage with the zone you’d be best served training in? Wouldn’t that weight zone be the zone that you don’t need to train in much, because you’re already able to produce a stupid amount of power? Strength and speed are very specific adaptations, meaning that you have to train very close to the loads and speeds that you’re trying to improve. Also, on the power output vs fatigue thing you mentioned later on. Just because you lift heavier (produce more power) than someone at the same %1RM doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to be more fatigued afterwards. Fatigue in this particular example is a matter of fitness. If my deconditioned ass lifted my 80% (max is sun 100kg) and someone like a professional crossfit athlete with a 140kg snatch also lifted their 80%, I garuntee that I will be sitting down, and they’ll be repping it out 10 more times and then swinging around on the rings like Tarzan for a while afterwards with no problem. Reply Dope Tech! This would be extremely effective for all levels of lifters and coaches, having a greater control aspect throughout training means faster progress. Reply Could this be in any way related to the work of Prilepin where his "chart" isbased on where the "power" (not sure if they were "average" or "peak") levelsdrop in half(along with the height of the lift) with a particular percentage of 1rm?(this was an average based on the lifters he tested. Don't know they were "Master of Sport" or what) Reply This should be paired with an app that traces bar path and plots acceleration vectors of the barbell along certain points Reply This is the guy at the gym making all that noise in the corner but hes never swole….ever Reply Thank you! Reply Hey Jeff!! Loved the video. How would this methodology work for powerlifting? Guide the lifts based on wattage also? Reply It seems that most of the clip-on power measurement devices simply match the force-velocity curve. What would be the benefit of using a device vs training via the curve, using autoregulation? 80% 1RM is always 80%… Reply Hey Zack, do you have or could you make a video where you tell what beginners should start to work on (Except of technique of the lifts, I guess that's obvious) to get better, stronger and safer? Thanks for the rest of the content, really great videos. Reply I wonder if it is as valid and reliable as it's big brother Gymaware Reply Jeff is the fastest man alive. Reply Unless it calculates reverse torque then its nothing more than garbage Reply I'd like to hear your opinion on Li Dayin's clean and jerk technique.He seems to pull it off so effortlessly most of the time. Reply 500 is cheap ? I don't think so Reply El ultimo movimiento estuvo pesado,doblaste mucho los codos y aflojaste tus hombros. Pero bien. Reply LEAVE A REPLY Cancel reply Please enter your comment! Please enter your name here You have entered an incorrect email address! 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