Paul Saladino joins the Real Bodybuilding Podcast for episode 74 to discuss the Carnivore Diet. We get into why its so good, how to implement it and some of the benefits.

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  1. Paul lost all credibility with me when Fouad mentioned that it is not unhealthy to eat meat but it is the quantity in one sitting and frequency that is unhealthy. Obviously our ancestors did not have stainless steel refrigerators so it was feast or famine meaning the frequency of red meat consumption was much less than what is consumed today. Everything in moderation; as for me I'm happily an omnivore Not a fan of this guy. Big fan of this podcast though.

  2. is easy to blame media for everything. is not meat is not good carbs. IS the PROCESS FOOD! u can eat.
    Humans eat cuz there was nothing else to fkn eat. if they did find barries, and so they eat that too.

  3. A really interesting podcast. I do have some thing that I would press on Mr Saladino. 1 would be when doing these studies where you take a person and ask him to switch to a pure meat based diet and you see like inflammation go down where is the proof it is the meat that did that?

    I don't eat meat myself as I am vegan and inflammation can be caused by some carbs and dairy product is you could have build up an intolerance. The study imo doesn't prove anything imo.

    I have lactose and gluten intolerance and my body just runs better without eating meat so I have to take C and B12 plus protein on the side to make sure I get the right thing into my body. I had bloodwork done 2 weeks ago and everything is fine so diet is not something you can say is right for everyone it really depends on the person and how the body reacts. This is also what Fouad has been tell that when he builds a diet for him or a person he is coaching you see how things go an adjusts to fit the body and person.

  4. Dr. Shawn Baker started the carnivore movement – Not Paul Saladino. Fouad, don't waste your money on organ meat supplements. 1 to 3 oz is useless and very expensive! I live in Toronto. There are many supermarkets here that sell all kinds of organ meats – Liver, Kidney, Heart, Brains, etc. Liver and Onion is absolutely delicious when cooked together. Cook with coconut oil and add pepper & salt for flavour. You will love it! Also, boiling potatoes removes the toxins such as oxalates & lectins. Dump the boiled water down the sink after cooking. Boil for around 45 to 60 minutes. Put any extras in the refrigerator and heat up later. Potatoes are great for Potassium, many B Vitamins & Vitamin C. Also, do not remove the skin. Keep that on! The skin in where many of the Vitamins and Minerals are found. Also, the skin has fibre. Some fibre is good. Too much fibre will cause gas & bloat. Paul is correct when stating that fibre binds to minerals in the body and prevents absorption. My carb sources are potatoes, white rice and yellow onion. My protein sources are chicken liver, beef liver, beef kidney & beef heart. Organ meat is 10 to 100 times more nutrient dense than muscle meat! Your body will pee & poop out any Vitamins and Minerals you do not need. So do not worry about the quantity. Just stick with farm animals such as cows and chickens. Avoid exotic organ meats such as shark or bear liver. Also, do not eat your meat raw! Meat becomes predigested when cooked and allows for better absorption. As we get older we have less stomach acid to digest the food we eat.

  5. Dried moose heart has been one of my favorite foods my whole life. Also every time we shoot a moose we’ll have some fresh raw meat that is pounded and then salted and peppered. As a hunter I recomend all bodybuilders to try to become hunters there is no better protein.

  6. Fouad having the most optimal guests. Would have never thought Dr. Paul would have made it here, been following him for a couple years.

    Bridging health and fitness together! Love you man, stay healthy!

  7. Organ meats can be easy to find. Many stores carry them where I live. Especially those places that have a large population of Asians, Hispanics and other cultures.

  8. Eating healthily isn’t complicated. Fats and proteins are essential, carbs aren’t. There are certain foods which digest well and don’t get boring to eat: quality salmon, cashew nuts etc… there’s a reason for this: they contain the nutrients the body can absorb and digest efficiently with less inflammatory effects. Note: red meat is shitty when it comes to digestion, even more so in how much it translates to it’s protein absorption, no idea why it’s so trumpeted in the bodybuilding community but hey.

  9. Fouad: but…
    Paul: the evidence points out this is extremely highly and substantially proficient for our diet.
    Fouad: but….
    Paul: AND it's organically grassfed animals from pastureland
    Fouad: sorr…..
    Paul: THAT comes with ecologically friendly agriculture
    Fouad: pau….
    Paul: SO that tells us the carnivore diet is exclllent

  10. Honestly, I was skeptical and then he started talking about the toxicity of seeds and beans. And I kid you not I’m not allergic to anything but my whole life i just never liked black beans. I’m actually allergic to any bean that isn’t cooked long enough or processed a certain way. My face breaks out and swells and itches. So it makes so much sense that these are seeds and contain toxins, by body is super sensitive to those toxins fr fr.

  11. I also relate to when he was talking about satiety and fullness. Like I’m currently on a cut and i try to eat big full salads to stave off the hunger, and even if my stomach is full and feeling full my brain is literally signaling to me to eat or find food.

  12. Great podcast very interesting I don't really agree with some of wat he says I think a balanced diet in long term makes most sense to me I think biggest thing is to learn to cut out things don't agree with you that's the hardest bit

  13. Meat, fruit and dessicated organ pills (can't stand the taste of them when cooked in natural form) – high protein, high fat and <50 grams of carbs from fruit is the way I've been eating for a little bit. No more back pain and brain fog, good and steady energy, no napping, deep sleep

  14. Look into beef organ grinds if you are interested in getting organs in. You can get grinds that are like half regular meat, half organ. You can make burgers or whatever and the taste is much milder with a texture like regular ground beef.

  15. I started carnivore as an elimination diet to clear up some inflammation and stomach issues. I never expected to enjoy it so much. My energy is stable throughout the day, joint pain and stomach issues cleared up, I've dropped boy fat, and most importantly, my jiu jitsu is on fire! I never gas out. I'm sure it's not optimal for bodybuilding but everyone says that you have to have carbs for fighting and grappling and that is 100% not true for me. I'm 42 and my body has changed quite a bit over the years. I've developed allergies to penicillin type drugs and some foods that I've eaten my whole life. If anybody is having any issues similar to mine, I'd recommend giving it a shot for 30 days.

  16. There is so much misrepresentation of things in here, I’m kinda disappointed as Paul says he's a board-certified nutritionist but clearly favors only the science that supports his diet.

    “Meat is responsible for human brain growth”

    This is not wrong but just like many of Paul’s arguments, it leaves out a lot of relevant points. Meat played a significant part but mainly because early humans learned to control fire and cook their food. And they did the same with starchy foods that were then also better bioavailable. Leaving this part out is misleading and has the “humans are carnivores” narrative that is wrong. Humans are opportunistic eaters and have always been. That’s why we can survive on a ketogenic, carnivore, or vegan diet. Doesn’t mean any of those is optimum. We’re just pretty good at adaptation and have always been.

    Opposite to popular belief, we do not know that much about the nutrition of our ancestors (he also mentioned stable isotopes of Neanderthals, but they were not our ancestors btw). We can be sure that the way they ate varied heavily depending on where they lived when they lived and what the climate of their time was. There is no “the way our ancestors ate” and even if there was that doesn’t mean it’s the healthiest diets (this applies to Innuits and Mongols as well). Evolution cares about survival and replication not about being the healthiest version of oneself and being able to deadlift at 70 years of age. It’s not wrong to look at how we evolved eating but today we have science, experiments, and a much better understanding of what actually works and how. And the scientific trend shows that predominantly plant-centered diets with occasional meat and fish consumption are favorable. There’s a reason why e.g. Canada’s latest food guide (and the first one being published without external interest groups) cuts meat heavily and diary almost completely out. By neglecting the scientific consensus Paul loses credibility as he seems to put himself above all nutritionists that work in the field of research as being the only one knowing the truth.

    The same goes for his argument that eating plants is not evolutionary consistent. There’s a reason we’re closer to our herbivore cousins than to any carnivore or omnivore like bears. That’s where we came from. He’s right that plants contain natural toxins. But most of them get destroyed when cooked further fortifying the argument I made above about how cooked vegetables, roots, etc. were a staple of our diet (depending on where early humans lived). Again, he leaves out an important and beneficial part that some plant substances (bioactive substances and secondary plant compounds) can have in terms of gut health and disease prevention. Most of us live in areas where we do not have to care if we will be able to get enough calories. That’s why we have the luxury of being able to care about more than just survival. We therefore can acknowledge the benefits of those substances over calories alone.

    There are also mechanisms in humans like the fact that (unlike all other B vitamins) we can store B12 for up to 2-8 years which could indicate that our ancestors didn’t have to eat meat on a regular basis. On the contrary, our body and especially our brain heavily prefer glucose for energy that fortifies carbohydrates being a staple of our diet to survive.

    During the talk the refers to the Hadza people of Tanzania once again leaving out the most important part of their diet which is them eating up to 100 g or even 150 g of fiber a day (you guessed it: fiber is not bad, it’s actually really good). There’s a reason that the staple of their diets are carbs. Yes, they do eat meat (even more so in the dry season) but the reason they have one of the healthiest gut microbiomes is due to the high amount of fiber in their diet.

    Non-soluble fiber is especially good when you want to lose weight as it increases satiety without adding calories. This can be a bad thing when you're starving but again, not where most of us live.

    Meanwhile, soluble fiber is one of the best things you can do to feed your good gut bacteria. They also are beneficial for teeth-health, for maintaining healthy blood sugar levels, for a quicker transit-time which “cleans” out your gut from potentially dangerous substances, for maintaining a pH-neutral gut that prevents pathogens from thriving and so much more. So just because fiber can bind to some minerals it doesn’t mean one should cut them out. You can easily absorb all your minerals even when eating fiber. Nobody just eats clams and fiber all day every day.

    And yes, fiber seems to lower cholesterol by binding to bile which then lowers the resorption of bile back to the liver. The liver will then produce more bile by using cholesterol which then again lowers blood-cholesterol. Once again Paul talks in absolute terms saying it doesn’t lower cholesterol.

    Also saying that LDL is not related to atherosclerosis is very short-sighted and not correct. The same goes for statements that nightshades cause inflammation which is also not scientific consensus.

    These are just a few points he made that are either wrong of hiding an important part of the truth for his narrative.

    For someone that says he is interested in the best health that a human can have he sure does ignore a lot of evidence and rather markets his supplements.

    Don’t get me wrong, Paul is a very knowledgeable guy. But just like with any person who is at an end of a spectrum he is biased. He will rather look for findings that favor his view just like a paleo person, a vegan, or someone else will do.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm open to more knowledge and new insights. I'm not trying to be right just to find the truth.

    Anyway, Albert Einstein told us already not to believe everything someone says on the internet.

  17. If I had a plant based supplement company I would say all meat is toxic. I believe 100% that you didn’t know he had organ supplement capsules and I do not believe anything that this dr said about vegetables being toxic. Our ancestors ate them and so should we and fuck this guy if I’m gonna stop eating tomatoes I’m Italian for God’s sake tomatoes are a major food group to Italians. No balls in my mouth either.

  18. Hoss if you can find it, try venison back strap. Ita the most delicious tender steak you can ever eat. Lightly pan fried in butter, onion and mushrooms, you wont ever find anything better.

  19. I'm curious what the recommendation may be for needing to build muscle AND lose body fat? He said to add rice for muscle building, but that seems like it would make the fat loss portion difficult. I'm losing fat currently, but my measurements say I've also lost about 4 lbs of muscle. I feel like I'm eating all my body can take.

  20. Gosh…..
    What to do with this information now??
    I mean, i love my greens, i love spinach, broccoli…
    Im living in China and there are sooo many good and tasty greens here, i literally eat greens almost 5 meals a deal.
    What should i do now, how should i pick my greens?
    I like cucumber but i don't feel like eating it in every damn meal, lol….

  21. I felt like this guy had an agenda to push his products. But I can actually relate to a few of his points with eating certain foods and digestion problems, aches and pain in the body. This has made me more aware of certain choices to make and I will have to dig a little deeper to see the truth. Weird, because there are several people in the BB community (Centopani, Chris Tuttle, etc.) that preach having vegetables in their diet.

    I highly recommend doing another podcast with this guy and do a Q/A for the viewers. I think we would have TONS of questions on dieting and improving our health.

  22. the biggest caveat Paul isn't highlighting for the argument against (red) meats being harmful to humans is the distinction between fresh organic meats vs. highly processed and cured meats with their added carcinogenic preservatives. night and day.

  23. So nuts, grains and beans, kale, spinach are so toxic its bad for you? Thats hard to believe. Just cook the beans. Walnuts are great. Also fiber is bad? Its good for bowels. Oatmeal?! Usually too much of anything is bad. Also its stupid to believe that plant based diet will have to lead to problems. There is tons of professional athleates that are vegeterains or vegans. I used to train karate and the sensei is vegan for like 10 years and is stronger than anybody. But I enjoyed some points Paul made

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